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The REAL Reason Our Groceries and Food Costs So Much [Episode 6]
In this episode, I dive into the surprising connections between GMOs, corn, and the global market. We’ll explore the impact of big biotech companies, rising seed prices, and how these trends affect both farmers and consumers. Plus, you won't believe which country ultimately benefits from this system. Stay tuned for an in-depth breakdown and my proposed solution to fix these issues.
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corn and China three words that you probably never ever thought would ever be in the same sentence together maybe two of those words hmm but not all three today I'm gonna link Biden China and corn and I might be laughing right now but it's because it's so endlessly fucked up the soap fucked up that I had to do a podcast on it I had to dedicate an episode I was trying to get away from these like debunking sort of videos but uh 1 I thoroughly enjoy them and 2 whenever I find something out that just blows my mind I feel that it is my responsibility to share it with the like three people that watch these and listen to these podcast episodes but at least it exists somewhere on the internet and hopes that one day if someone is ever looking this up they can they can find these podcast episodes so let's get into it I will apologize in advance my allergies are absolutely horrible and I can never breathe this time of year so if I sound nasally you're welcome so first I want to get into some definitions there's only a few but the reason why I wanted to talk about these things is because they're going to lay the groundwork so when I say things like GMO or organic you know exactly what I'm talking about we're on the same page when it comes to what I mean when I say those things okay so the first definition I wanna get into is GMO so that's Golf Mike Oscar if we wanna phonetically spell it out and GMO stands for genetically modified organism and I'm going to read this definition straight from the this is the government's definition of a GMO so GMO is a plant animal or micro organism that has had its genetic material DNA changed using technology that generally involves the specific modification of DNA including the transfer of specific DNA from one organism to another scientists often refer to this process as genetic engineering so when I today when I say GMO I am specifically referring to organisms that have been genetically engineered and later on in this episode I'm gonna talk about an immunologist a PhD who I once respected who compared the average poodle that's right the dog a poodle to corn to genetically modified corn and she has since updated her post to remove that comparison because it is wildly inaccurate there's when you think GMO you think scientist in a lab coat in a you know laboratory slicing and dicing DNA we did not do that to get to a poodle right that's called selective breeding that is entirely different than Gmos Gmos are genetically modified they take the good stuff from this plant and the good stuff from that plant and they put it into this plant and they get a cool GMO plant um I'm honestly not really skeptical of Gmos I think that they've done a lot of good there's been no real evidence that they're not you know that they're bad but again we'll get to that so when we talk about Gmos mind you right my background is security is investigations and is in business primarily in those those categories right I have an extensive background in science as it relates to health and fitness but nothing this deep right so I'm gonna stick to my swim lane when I talk about these things so if you're a genetic engineer or a bio engineer of some sort and you want to share your feedback in the comments because there just so happens to be a bio engineer watching this episode like feel free but I'm gonna stick to what I know because I'm gonna stick I'm gonna stay in my swim lane my expertise is gonna come in handy GMO soybeans for example they make up 94% of all soybean plants in the United States so all the soybean that's planted 94% of it is genetically modified then there's GMO cotton 96% of all cotton planted is genetically modified and then the key the most important one here's the first word that I talked about earlier right genetically modified corn makes up 92% of all corn planted in the United States and if you're like why is this bitch naming off random ass plants well they're not random and I'm gonna tell you why here's the here's the info here's the the lay of the land if you will so those are big numbers right we're talking 90+ percent of some of our largest crops are all genetically modified take that take that little fact you know fold it up and put that shit in your pocket cause we're gonna we're gonna pull it out in the second but for now keep it in your pocket the next definition right cause I said there was gonna be a few the next definition I wanna talk about is organic now when I say organic I'm referring to organically grown and organic agriculture organically grown right so organically grown food is food grown and processed using no no zero synthetic fertilizers or pesticides pesticides derived from natural sources such as biological pesticides may be used in producing organically grown food that means that instead of dumping a bunch of glyphosate on our field and if you don't know what I mean when I say glyphosate you can watch that episode I'll leave a link for in the description but they're not dumping a bunch of glyphosate right they're dumping natural stuff we're talking vinegar lemon zest right that's that's what they're using to combat any sort of pest whether it's being used as an insecticide which is used to kill insects or a fungicide which is used to kill fungus those those things is kind of what we're talking about when we say past past aside is the next definition and it seems to be just like a blanket term right anything that's a pest that can be mice that can be powdery mildew right that can be some sort of fungus or that can be like a hornworm like an insecticide the term pesticide in the literature is kind of this like blanket term that they give to all of these different sorts of asides if you will and the very last definition that I wanted to make sure we all understand perfectly well is patents and I'm enunciating that on purpose because I always say patents and you know it's patents if you will there's two t's and a patent is a legal right that gives an inventor exclusive rights to their inventions such as a device process or substance and I'm not aware what I say over and over again but there there is a lot of legality that goes into this and for patents there are utility patents there's plant patents there's a lot of different types of patents but when I am saying pens a lot but when I talk about it today I'm specifically going to be talking about patents as they relate to genetically modified organisms right the intellectual property of some big businesses that we're gonna get into and as you can imagine patents are managed by the US Patent Trademark Office oh yes then the gun now when we talk about intellectual property there's patents there's trademarks there's copyrights and I'm sure there's more again not a lawyer but those are the big three that I know as a business owner and as somebody who has patents under my name I have trademarks and trade secrets so I'm somewhat familiar with that as it relates to me and what I've done but it's just a general term that I wanted to make sure we go over so moving right along now we have the definitions out of the way I'm gonna get into the meat and potatoes of this right now for the meat and potatoes the first thing I wanna talk about is corn okay The United States is the largest producer of corn in the world that's a lot of mother fucking corn 90 million acres of it to be specific we have 90 million acres of just corn now after corn there's sorghum which I'm probably saying wrong which is a cereal crop side note if you ever purchase bird food right like the bird seeds to put in your bird feeder like I have um I made the mistake of letting some of that bird seed kind of hit my very nutrient rich soil cause I have a garden in my backyard and it started growing these this random shit this like random stocks of grain I had no idea what it was but I left it right because it's kind of in an area that um I don't really have anything planted I have some rose bushes back there in a rose arch and my bird feeder so I let this shit grow I end up using Google image search and it was sore gum so just know that the bird seeds that you are feeding your birds or putting in your bird feeder are potentially their actual seeds they could potentially grow into things like sorghum which is a cereal crop just so you're aware so you have 90 million acres of corn now we don't keep all of the corn that we grow right we obviously trade it we trade it to other countries 45% of all of the corn that we grow is used for ethanol it's not used to be the ear of corn that you buy in the produce section right 45% of the corn that we grow is you know turned into ethanol which I'm going to talk about how that happens in a zone so that's 45% of all of the corn now what about the corn that we keep what about the corn that we don't trade well 40% of domestic corn use is for livestock feed so that's a shit that's feeding our like cows and pigs and chickens and shit like that there's also a term called FSI which is food seed and industrial some of the images that I'm gonna be sharing and some of the and some of the things that I'm gonna be talking about if you are reading the blog post later or if you're reading the reference list later is going to mention FSI which is kind of how the USDA kind of lumps everything together in terms of where our corn is going 60% of domestic corn is used for FSI so 40% is going to livestock feed the other 60% is going to food seed and industrial going to assume when I see industrial they mean ethanol because based on everything that I read that's kind of what a points do so corn how do we get ethanol how do we get ethanol from corn and the process is probably exactly as you think it is but there are two different types of millers right these are gonna be the factories that you see next to like corn fields and if you ever now I was stationed in good old Great Lakes when I was in the Navy and I had taken a road trip at one point to drive back to New York which is where I'm from and I passed a lot of cornfields if you're from Illinois Indiana or anywhere over there and it is this god awful smell that you get from cornfields from corn from the cornfields themselves but from the factories next to cornfields and it's because those factories are doing one of two things they're either dry milling or they're wet milling so a wet milled product from corn becomes things like high fructose corn syrup and glucose and dextrose and starch and corn oils and beverage alcohol and industrial alcohol and sometimes fuel for ethanol so wet milled literally means they're making wet products so think of like for me in my mind I think of like syrup right high fructose corn syrup I just think of like a liquid dry milled however takes that corn and turns it into flakes for cereal corn flour corn crits which I don't know fuck that is corn meal and brewers grit for beer production so wet milk makes wet stuff dry milk makes dry stuff so 94% of our ethanol in the United States is produced from corn we don't I don't even know where the other 6% comes from who knows but so 94% of ethanol in the United States is produced from corn that's a lot of it right that's 90 94% ninety percent of the ethanol that we make so 90% of the 94% comes from dry milled right so dry milling is our primary process for making ethanol so what happens is the dry millers grind the corn into flour then they ferment that flour and it becomes ethanol the byproducts are distillers grain and carbon dioxide so in my opinion I'm pretty sure when that carbon dioxide is released that's probably that awful smell that we're smelling I could be wrong wet millers on the other hand what they do is they separate the starch the protein and the fiber in the corn prior to processing any components into products such as ethanol so you can take the shit that they need and whatever is left over which in my mind I pictured like like a mush like whatever is left they'll ferment but it's nowhere near as much as what's produced for dry Mills so just know that 94% is going to come from dry Mills and that like last 6% is gonna come from the the wet Mills or I'm sorry the last 10% is gonna come from the wet Mills and now if you're like why the are we using why the are we using so much corn for ethanol why is everybody why is 45% of the corn that we're producing being used for ethanol well I'm glad you asked I'm glad you asked that because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan because the ethanol is used in blends with gasoline to create mixture such as E10 E15 an E85 so E10 is like 87 Octane 80 E15 is like 88 Octane and E85 is probably the one that we're most familiar with because that's called flex fuel and if you're like okay I hope you're catching what I'm about to throw at you and then we look at the fact that corn is 80% of the grain market for global trade right largest markets are Mexico China although that is the second keyword this is not the main point of why I want to talk about China Japan and Colombia so corn is extremely important and it's mostly because of the these gasoline mixtures as we're trying to go to quote unquote bio fuels you know we're producing more corn as a matter of fact it's been exponential with the amount of corn that we've been producing the amount of corn that's being you know asked of us and it's being traded and a lot of that is going towards cleaner fuels right we're trying to get away from using you know for drilling for oil and we're trying to get away from you know other processes now yes there is electric vehicles and that whole lithium scandal if people knew maybe I'll do an episode on that too but if people did a little bit of research on how we obtain the lithium to make the batteries to then put in these electric cars you would be out there driving a big old diesel truck all right let's talk money now because that is probably what most of you guys are here for because that is what I end all of my episodes in right the world can be entirely fuck and I will still tell you how it's fucked from the money perspective right unless I can give it to you from like a security perspective but let's talk about that so I'm gonna bring it full circle now the very first definition that I gave in this episode was GMO GMO genetically modified right somebody is slicing and dicing DNA well it cost roughly $136 million to develop a GMO plant development a more resilient high yield genetically modified props is being fast tracked around the globe so the genetically modified corn and soybean and whatever else it took almost $136 million to create that plant how many chains Monsanto puts in the CMO canola so these genetically modified plants are not necessarily modified by using like mayonnaise things right sometimes in the GMO plant there are good things like there is a bacteria it's called BT and I'm I'm Jack this up right now about I'm gonna try to say it bachilles bachilles it's bacillus I think Bacillus threngenesis who that's not how you say it haha Bacillus threngenus genus Bacillus thorngenus I don't know it's BT for short so um yeah we'll just you know bravo tango it's BT for short so we'll just call what I'm just gonna call it bravo tango because um yeah I don't think I said that right but anyway so again hundred$36 million to create this genetically modified plant they're taking things like this you know bravo Tango stuff this BT stuff and they're you know adding it to the corn DNA for example and BT is a natural bacteria it's used as a pesticide and organic farming which we'll talk about also but they're not just like taking you know putting things together it's not like a Frankenstein corn there is a purpose behind it but with that being said and giving as much credit as I possibly can to the genetic engineers companies like Bayer and Cortiva account for 72% of planted corn and 66% of planted soybean across the United States so out of the 90 acres that we have my 90 million acres of corn 65 ish acres straight up owned by Bayern Cortiva they're the ones who own the seeds and if you didn't watch my life is 8 episode I'm gonna go through this really quickly but you can you can get the deep dive in that episode so genetically modified plants are the intellectual property of the company that makes them right which makes sense if Bayer is spending $136 million to make this corn that doesn't die from all the other pests and you know insects and things like that that are trying to kill it so farmers are going to want that right think about it if your livelihood depends on the amount of corn you can grow on your farm aren't you going to wanna set yourself up for success aren't you gonna wanna make sure that your output is as efficient and as capable as possible that's all these farmers are doing right they were like listen I don't wanna have to spend millions of dollars on herbicides and insecticides and fungicides when I can just go straight up and buy this GMO plant that doesn't fucking die and if it does die it's for reasons that just couldn't have been avoided so the companies who create these Gmos they own the rights to those seeds so I wanna get into a little bit about how that came from right it's called plant variety Protection is what we're talking about when I say that the Bayer and Cortiva own these seeds it's because they own the patents for the Gmos so in 1930 there's something called the Plant Patent Act yes and if you were wondering like the bitches say 1930 yes this has not this is not new right um it's become kind of it's become more popular because of a lot of the lawsuits which again I talked about in the glyphosade episode Canada a David and Goliath legal battle over the ownership of Genetic Consensus the corporation behind dozens of losses and analysis that we did it was crop he must know The Plant Patent Act allowed for licensed plants to be sexually produced as long as they aren't sold so for example if Farmer Joe welcome Farmer Joey say Farmer Joey created a tomato plant that is just sweet it's large and for some reason tomato hornworms are not attracted to it right if you don't if you don't know what a tomato hornworm is they're like the larva of like this type of moth and they're a bitch I grow tomatoes and these hornworms are such a pain in the ass I can't imagine I only have like a handful of tomato plants I can't imagine having like hundreds of acres and having a deal with a tomato hornworm but here's Joey Farmer Joe he creates tomato plant that hornworms seem to not like well he can sell that plant and I can buy that plant but I can't sell that plant again right I can buy the plants I can have it cross pollinate with another you know some of my other plants I can save the seeds and regrow them I just can't sell Joey's tomato plant because Joey owns the rights to the plant itself and that was going well for a while but what happened was farmers would often save a portion of the harvest as you know for you know save a portion of the harvest and take the seeds from those things so instead having go back to Joey and buy more seeds I'm growing the fuck tomato I just save the seeds and plant them again right for the next season well sometimes farmers and sometimes even seed companies would do something called been run called been run seeds which means that they take not tomatoes in this case but grain from their own crops they would harvest it clean it for impurities maybe treat it and then sell it to their farmer friends or just you know resell it so there was no incentive for any company to try and create a better seed a better plant because they were just the farmers were just gonna grow you know plant the seed grow the plant save the seed and then you know never need to buy from the seed company from the company again or from the you know big corporation again so corporations like well if I'm gonna sell in the seeds once you know once every four years cause you know every now and then the farmers would come back and buy another batch of seeds just to make sure that you know just a reestablish purity and quality so they're like what the welcome why why would I spend hundred and thirty six million dollars to create this awesome plants when Farmer Joey is only gonna buy from me once every like 3 4 years or once every 3 4 season it's just not worth it they wouldn't there would be no return on their investment if we're gonna really get into the business of it was a very low ROI it was not worth it for them that was until the 1970s so pretty much from 1930 to 1970 the plant world was kind of what it is someone creates a plant cool right but they had no control over the plant that they created that was until the 1970s when the Plant Variety Protection Act came out this basically gave corporations control and the rights over every single piece of that plant so if I wanted to buy one of their seeds and I if I plant the plant I cannot save the seeds from the plant that I grew why because for one the seed that I planted belongs the the rights to the seed belongs to the company and this Plant Variety Protection Act now also gives them the rights to all of the seeds produced for generations to come and here's the best part you don't just go to the store and buy these seeds you go to Bayer you go to Cortiva and you sign a contract and a contract tells you what you can and cannot do and for Bayer and I don't know about Cortiva but I would imagine it's the same I know for sure for Bayer that in that contract they tell you you cannot save the seeds so if you wanna grow that plant next year you have to come back and buy from us and up until then farmers were just saving the seeds and you know producing them again the following year which was saving them a ton of money but now bears like nah we all know seeds if we catch you if we catch you saving seeds and replanting them or if we catch you saving seeds and selling them we're taking your ass to court you needed cash to buy more land and reselling GMO seeds was your only option and there will be no mercy there was a movie about this that came out I think was like 2007 2007 2009 like that where Monsanto which was just recently bought up by bear sued this guy in Canada um because he was doing that and it was like Santa will continue with its case tomorrow focusing on the investigation that LED to the discovery of the genetically modified canola it really ripped off the freaking facade that we had as it came to the agricultural industry and again that was in Canada this is not something that specific to United States these companies operate internationally we have now the background on Gmos so we know about the Plant Patent Act in the 1930s we know about the Plant Variety Protection Act from the 1970s we know that Bayer and Cortiva account for 72% of planted corn and 66% of planted soybean across the United States so the plants in our country a majority of our plants the seeds that were used to grow those things are the intellectual property of Bayer and Cortiva and we know that Bayer and Cortiva spent about $136 million to develop one of these GMO plants that brings me to my next point and here is the second name drop Biden so Biden has this executive order called Promoting Competition in America's Economy and from that what he basically said in this executive order is that we need to unfollow things and we need to create some more competition so the USDA US Department of agriculture created something called the Farmer Seed Liaison I'll be straight up with you I know I know this this executive order might sound really awesome in theory but the execution of it was so poor there was no oversight so that is my problem just gonna say that going into this if I'm wrong or if you think differently feel free to correct me but there really was no fucking oversight for this so the USDA asked the public right what they think we should do again I talked about this in the first episode who the fuck I knew the USA was asking that they didn't put that shit on social media they didn't put in the news so you know what happened only 40 people commented 40 people in the entire United States or out of all of the people in the United States commented and the rest of the comments were corporations corporations who bet would benefit from or who can influence this decision by the USDA and the USDA just said hey listen how can we help the public right and some of the corporations that responded basically said like we don't know who owns what patents so genetic engineers who are trying to create maybe an even better corn seed they don't know what patents Bayer and Cortiva have so so when they try to go to work on these things they're like am I allowed to work on this how do I find if another company owns this patent how do I find if it's already been done so that was one of the biggest complaints from corporations is that they there isn't enough transparency on who owns what patents and I'll be honest I've searched the Trademark Patent Office website before it is horrible it is like an Excel spreadsheet that you can't filter that has millions and millions of rows and columns and you're just out here control effinent just trying to find keywords that's the USA Market Patent Office is just the the website at least and I don't know if there's a different database that these companies use to search I know that when I search using open source it's fucking horrible and that's why attorneys intellectual properties attorneys will charge you thousands of dollars to do a trademark in patent search because it takes them for fuck can ever right if you wanna file it like I know when I filed my trade secret and a couple of my trademarks it I had I paid thousands of dollars to have someone who knows the system better than me just search it right because I didn't wanna you know miss something then try to file this patent and they reject it and say it already exists but you don't get your money back so I digress now in the article and I'm gonna leave all these links again everything's gonna be in the episode resources and the link to that is in the description so the problem I had with kind of what the USDA came out with was it just seemed a bit sketch again cause there's no oversight and how this was executed the Biden administration their executive order was like hey let's promote competition and to me it seemed like a PR thing it was like let's promote competition and then they didn't absolutely fucking nothing there was no follow through they didn't go to the UST and say hey okay what are you doing to promote competition they just said you need to promote competition and then like that was it and then the agencies take it amongst themselves to figure out like and define it for themselves which if picture this right now I know as Navy and I went Marine Corps Reserve but I think about telling Seaman Timmy right junior sailor and I'm like hey go over there and fix that engine and I just hand him like a wrench and I'm like or go over there and fix that weapon system he's like fuck can what like how do I fix it right or if you tell somebody hey go fly that plane it's like fucking cow right like unless you talk to a pilot like fucking how do I do that right and that's what I feel like what happened with his executive order it's like promote competition and then they turn around say hey American public we are promoting an increase in competition to reduce your cost and it's like okay yeah but how did you do it how are they doing it how is anybody doing it so to me it seemed a bit sketch and I will say that it definitely seemed to keep the seed company's best interest in mind so it seemed like Bayer and Cortiva were the target audience for this promoting competition and I say that because they for one they use keywords like underprivileged and indigenous communities like they were gonna do us a favor and let us become genetic engineers and test shit out like I don't even know why they brought that up but like I don't foresee anybody in the South Bronx having a home lab for other reasons than what you might think I can't see somebody in the South Bronx having a home lab to slice and dice DNA to create a cool ass corn plant like I don't I don't understand what the purpose of saying that unless they were like we need to have these keywords in our in our response anyway and mind you most of the comments that were solicited from the USDA came from these big corporations and came from the scientists that work for these big corporations there's only 40 regular ass people who commented so not really a good representation and honestly the 40 people who commented are probably super like super when I say conservative I mean conservative in as it relates to environmental like the environmental aspect of it so there you know 40 people that are probably like Gmos tie yourself to a tree type people and there's nothing wrong with that if that's what if that's your vibe that's your vibe what I'm saying is those 40 people were not a good representation of the thought process and the mindset of the entire American public but that's our fault we did ourselves a disjustice by our injustice by not commenting even though we didn't know but whatever that let's let's move on so now I wanna talk about the big six okay this is where I'm gonna so I already talked about corn I talked about Biden I still owe you guys China I know I mentioned China as one of the countries that we export corn to and that produce corn but I still owe you the China thing and it is coming up so in 2,015 six firms dominated global markets for seeds and agricultural chemicals now I'm reading this straight out the USDA's mouth so those big six are BS BASF or BASF I'm gonna call it bravo Alpha Sierra Foxtrod BASF Bear Dow Chemical do Point Monsanto and Singenta and obviously Monsanto is the company that's being sued right now so the big six right these six firms didn't just make seeds they produced everything so they produced and sold pesticides this is gonna be herbicides insecticides fungicides seed treatments which are seed coatings to protect protect against insects or fungus crop seeds and seed traits and I'm gonna break that down real quick so you understand what these big companies are doing so the pesticides we know what that is right we know what the herbicides are its weed killers insecticides kill insects fungicides kill fungus seed treatments now these are the things that you put so when you go and Farmer Joe goes and buys a bag of seeds from Bayer and if he's not gonna plant them right away so when you're storing these seeds they have to be protected from insects and from fungus so you have to you have no choice but to buy the seed protectants or the seed coating from the company right it's how they get you it's like a package deal if you buy one you have to buy the other and if you buy bay or seed treatments you can't buy Cortiva seeds like it has to come from the same company the next thing is the actual crop seeds itself and then something called seed traits now seed traits are gonna be their patents they're gonna license their pan so let's say they created a really cool seed trait that is that includes this BT that bravo Tango bacteria I was talking about earlier well if they patent the way that that's done they can say hey hey other company over there you wanna you wanna get this bacteria this cool ass insecticide into your plant will sell you the citrate right so they also have these other things right and they become up with a cool way to slice and dice DNA they can patent that too so if somebody wants to use their cool slice and dice method they have to license it from them for a pretty fuck and penny so they're finding ways to make money every way you turn so as of 2,015 there were six companies they were referred to as the Big Six well the Big six became the Big four very quickly Chem China which is a state owned Chinese company here's that last word I mentioned they acquired Syngenta Dow Chemical and do point and they merged and became Cortiva so the two companies that own a majority they count for 72% of planted corn and 66% of planted soybean one of them is owned by China and then Bay required Monsanto so big 6 became Big four again Bayer bought Monsanto so we have China who put all the put three companies together merge three of them to become Cortiva then Bayer bought Monsanto so there we have our the two highest producing companies the other two were they're smaller but they're still in the big game right but Bayer and Mont and Cortiva own a majority of our shit so that means that every time Farmer Joe plants a seed he's either planting a seed for Bayer for the US or for Kittiva for China and I wanna bring this full circle for you I gave out a lot of numbers a lot of definitions a lot of percentages and if you're out there like the book then what is the point of you saying all of this oh look who wants to get to the point all of a sudden the reason why I'm saying this is because in February of 2023 the USDA came out with something called the global demand for fuel ethanol through 2030 and basically in this 114 page report the USDA basically says that the use of gasoline and the requirements that we have for oil have been gradually decreasing even before covid obviously with Covid there was a huge dip and even though it did go back up slightly it's still continuing on a trajectory downward but we are seeing is an increase in the use of biofuels specifically ethanol so what they are saying is that even though we're seeing a decrease in gasoline we're seeing an increase in ethanol and I'm gonna read you exactly what it says US Department of Energies Energy Information Administration yeah that's right they say energy twice or the EIA projections to 2030 indicate that US motor gasoline consumption is expected to see changes ranging from 4.5 billion gallon decrease which is 3% to a 7.2 billion gallon increase 5.3 from 2021 again adjusting for Covid these figures correspond to average consumption changes between 499 million and 797 millions of gallons per year EIA projections also indicate US consumption of ethanol in motor gasoline and E85 which is that flex fuel is expected to increase between 1 96 or 196 million gallons which is 1.4% and 1.4 billion gallons above 2021 levels depending on the US economic growth over the decade the projected increase in ethanol consumption across all scenarios despite falling gasoline consumption in some scenarios is due in part to EIAs Assumption that Renewable Fuel Standard will increase total US consumption of renewable fuels so there were a lot of laws that were passed to get us to use renewable fuels and for some fucking reason we were like oh ethanol right ethanol is a good renewable fuel cause all all the American public sees is corn being turned into shit they put in their tank they don't understand the process going from point a to point B and it's not their fault because nobody fucking tells them I'm just I'm a little angry at that because it I feel like every time I learn more I feel like I've been played right I got played and that's that and that's not a good feeling but it's it's misinformation we were either not informed or we were misinformed and we're thinking oh we grow some can corn throw that shit in our fucking oil in our gasoline and it you know it's less drilling of oil that we have to do right cause we know oil bad that's essentially what the fuck I think happened here so again a link to this report is going to be in the episode resources so basically what they're saying is okay the use of gasoline went down it came up a little bit but overall we're probably going to see gasoline consumption continue to go down and the use of renewable fuel go up because of this renewable fuel standard now in this report they give a couple different scenarios in each scenario ethanol is going to be used more so okay so ethanol is gonna be used more which means we have to either plant more corn or attribute more of the corn were already growing to producing ethanol we're already seeing corn being grown in places that it doesn't naturally grow right if we're seeing corn being grown in Michigan year round like fucking how right that's a cold ass environment the growing season is very short and you know places in the Midwest where corn is primarily being grown like that's where we expect to see it but now corn is popping up everywhere because it's extremely profitable and because there's a demand for it if corn keeps going up when we only got 90 million acres like we're gonna have to start putting cornfield somewhere now my problem is that if we need to produce more corn that needs we need that means we need to buy more corn seeds which means we have to buy more shit from Bayer and Cortiva which means we have to buy more shit from China so the concept of this you know of Biden's promoting competition in America was essentially hoping that with more transparency there would be more competition and that is because between 1990 and 2020 prices paid by farmers for crop seeds increase in average of 170% so Farmer Joe was buying seeds for $1 he's now buying seeds for like $3 and that's why our food costs so fucking much is because it trickles down so for example seed prices for crops grown predominantly with Gmos rose 463 per cent so if John went to Bayer to buy a seed that used to cost him $1 and now cost him $5 and this compares with a 56% increase in commodity output prices meaning it just quadruple the increase that we're seeing everywhere else and this could be for a lot of different reasons so I'm gonna walk you through a scenario just to show you how it trickles down so we're gonna go the dry mill route cause that's the most common some break this these numbers down for you real quick we're not gonna include logistic cost overhead anything like that we're just gonna say every single person in this machine makes a 30% margin so if Joey used to buy the seeds for a dollar he's gonna sell it to the dry mill for a dollar thirty the dry mill is gonna do their thing and they're gonna sell it to like Kellogg's for example and I'm probably like missing some people but let's say they sell it to Kellogg's for a dollar 70 right they tack on their 30% well Kellogg's is then gonna sell it to the supermarket for two dollars and twenty cents the supermarket is gonna sell it to you for two 99 okay now this is where I'm not including logistics like if Joey buy seeds for $1 you're not buying a box of cereal for two 99 right you're buying a box of cereal for like you know six 99 or something like that right cause there's some cost that I'm not adding I'm just trying to keep like the baseline simple so now that there is a 463% increase let's say Joey is now having to buy the seeds he used to buy for $1 he's now buying them for $5 that means he sells it to the dry mill for six dollars and fifty cents and that means the dry mill sells it to Kellogg's to make their frosted flakes for eight dollars and forty five cents Kellogg's makes their frosted flakes and they sell the frosted flakes to the grocery store for ten dollars and ninety nine cents the grocery store sells it to you for fourteen dollars and twenty eight cents so you used to buy it for two 99 now you're buying it for $14 you see how the how the price increases now again this is like not the best example because I'm not putting all of the other things that go into it but you can see that charging Joey an extra $4 becomes exponentially more expensive for you the consumer who's buying the end product you see when my costs go up I have to pass that along to the consumer that is the whole point of this example is that it went from $3 to $14 very fucking quickly and you had no control over that it was just everybody tacking on their 30% margin and I only include the dry mail Kellogg's in the grocery store there's a lot more people that are involved so that's what I mean when I say I feel like I was bamboozled when it came to this stuff congratulations Ross because Chandler you've been bamboozled I hope that you guys now understand how Biden Corn and China are linked right Biden has his executive order China owns one of the largest seed companies in the in world especially in the United States they are responsible for majority of the plants that were planting including our largest export and then we have horn which is our largest export the one other thing I mentioned earlier is I defined organic so I'm gonna go through that really quickly because I have a little special treat for you guys at the end of this there's Nicole the non GMO project all they wanna do is preserve the integrity of diverse genetic inheritance that they say is essential for environmental health and ecological harmony and what that basically means like hey listen they don't have a problem with Gmos their problem is like we have 90 million acres of straight up just corn there's no genetic diversity there there's no diversity in our planting we have something called mono crops which time and time again scientists have said like these mono crops are terrible for the environment but we need to produce corn because that's our largest export and now we need to produce even more corn because we need it for ethanol not producing corn so we can eat it right 60% of it goes to FSI food seeds and industrial but food is a very small portion of that so if 60% is going towards this stuff maybe only 20% is going to food so we have 90 million acres and only 18 of those acres is going to food like come on guys let's fuck up well that's fuck up in all kinds of ways now isn't it it's one of the ways the country makes money so it's like a risk that they were willing to take because they need to bring money into the country I mean based on the deficit in the way they're just printing money is you know they need more of that shit so I that's just one thing that I wanted to make sure that I mentioned let's get into organic now there are over 40 private organizations and state agencies that certify things organic well everybody at one point everybody had their own definition for what organic means the government finally came out with the Organic Foods Production Act or OFPA which defines the term organic so now when someone when you see that organic label it is now regulated so it's not just whatever somebody wants to define as organic it has a legit purpose The National Organic Program which is by the USDA has a list of allowable and prohibited substances for organic food this is another CFR which I'll include and I'll just tell you what it is it's CFR Title 7 Subtitle B Chapter I sub chapter m part 2 0 5 sub part G the link is in the mother okay episode resources so don't even worry about that but basically if you go through that list it's not hard to read it tells you exactly what's allowed and exactly what's not allowed to be used on organic foods again organic foods are not allowed to use synthetic pesticides meaning they're using those that things like bravo tango right that BT stuff that bacteria that's natural naturally occurring the great thing is and you'll hear this time and time again is people will say well you know organic foods use more pesticides and it's like they use a different types of pesticides so maybe you know non organic foods and Gmos only need to use glyphosate whereas organic foods needs to use this bacteria and vinegar and all this other stuff but what they don't tell you is they use it in such small quantities and I had this a bone I have to pick with a lot of people who are like well organic food uses more pesticides it's like they don't they don't use more pesticides they have a different variety of pesticides because BT might be good for this vinegar might be good for this orange zest might be good for that so they have to use a bunch of different ones and it's at a sway smaller proportion right we're not talking 90 million acres of organic fields we're talking maybe a million acres so one it's used proportionally less right or per capita it's gonna be less secondly it's natural stuff and yes natural stuff can still be toxic which is why it's so potent so that instead of having to use 750 you know thousand gallons of it that's how much clyphosate they're gonna be using maybe they only have to use a hundred gallons of it because it's so potent they only need to sprinkle a little bit so there's also that there's also the dosage amounts that nobody king talks about everybody's like well glyphosate is you know it's actually really safe because you have to be exposed to a lot of it one period of time for it to be toxic and it's like okay like will you only you know vinegar if you're exposed to a lot of vinegar it could kill you it's like if you're exposed to a lot of water it can kill you so miss me with that bullshit tell me how much you have to use on the same amount of land if we have 1 million acres how much organic stuff do we have to use and how much non organic stuff do we have to use and if I'm standing in either of those fields which one will cause me more damage and the answer is exactly what you're gonna think it's the non organic you're there's gonna be more damage to you with with exposure to the synthes to the synthetic stuff than the organic stuff hands down if you wanna see that again it's in the CFR it's in the episode resources I'm not talking out of my ass the government tells us straight up what it is so so rgmo safe initially my stance was that they are safe my stance now is that it's really it's unknown there's a lack of credible long term studies almost all of the studies done were done in rats and that's cool there was a study done showing that cat that you know rats don't get cancer from eating all Gmos there's a study that shows that Gmos do not alter the DNA of rats and it's like okay there's a lot of positive studies that have come out that talk about rats or that are on rats it's just not ethical really to do a study like that on humans there's no way to track the consumption of Gmos in humans and I'll be completely honest with you most of the GMO products they're they're not in your produce section if you go to buy an apple or a zucchini or some shit like that from the produce section most of those produce if all of them they're not Gmos which where you gonna find the Gmos is in the processed foods you're gonna find Gmos in in your cereal right in in those aisles because they take those GMO crops and they turn them into something else right they process them and I will say that if something was bioengineered there is a label that goes on the product saying that it is bioengineered but there is a I don't wanna say statue limitation but if you take corn and you dry mail it into Corn Flakes and then Kellogg's takes it and then Kellogg's turns it into whatever to eventually become frosted flakes your frosted flakes is not gonna say that it's genetically engineered it's not it's or biologically engineered it's not gonna say that because the flakes themselves 1 do not occur naturally in nature right they don't occur you don't you know just see frosted flakes trees so at what level do we have to start labeling things GMO that's a question but so we can't say if Gmos are safe or not there's not enough credible evidence so that's my stance do I think they're safe no do I think they're not safe no I'm kind of in the middle if someone told me hey by the way the salad you just ate was all GMO like I wouldn't cry myself to sleep that night it's like well okay yeah cool everything you're eating is genetically modified like I that's just how it is now there has been an increase in glyphosate which has has a ton of serious effects to include a decline in native plant species and oh yeah it's believed to cause cancer so we're seeing an increase in the use of these synthetic pesticides and the synthetic pesticides are brought to you by Bayer and Cortiva in the Big four so right cause Gmos when they slice and dice that DNA you know they do they make those Gmos resistant to these herbicides so what does that mean if you take an organic plant and you spray round up on it it's gonna kill that plant usually depending on what type of plant but it's more than likely it's gonna kill that plant so farmers can't use round up and synthetic products on organic stuff because gonna kill their shit but let's say you slice and dice some DNA now you have a plant that is resistant to round up so what does that mean that means that farmers can then dump as much Roundup as they want on their field they don't have to worry about killing their plants they the Roundup will kill exactly what it's meant to kill which in this case Roundup kills weeds so anything that might suffocate the plants right they can just fuck kill that shit we also do have some GMO plans that have incorporated protectants which make them resistant to certain insects and things like that and that's gonna be that bravo tango I talked about that bacteria I wanna demystify something real quick the FDA straight up says farmers may use more weed killer but it's cool because the FDA regulates things like weed killers now I'm like well isn't the big argument from scientists that you know they use less pesticides for GMO plants but now I'm just like the FDA straight up saying y'all at least use more weed killer so I'm like make that make sense because it doesn't make sense to me I thought you guys used less oh that doesn't make sense overall in terms of GMO being safe we don't know now we'll say this there is now something called a GMO salmon so genetically modified salmon and genetically modified pork I don't eat pork but I'm just saying seems kind of weird now I know the salmon is supposed to grow at a faster rate than regular salmon and I'm assuming that's like one of the things one of their pain points that take so long for salmon to grow to be full grown and I know in like salmon farms they will grab a bunch of salmon and then throw back any of the smaller ones so I'm assuming that's what that's for but it's still kind of weird to me cause I'm just like okay you're trying to get it to grow faster how do you get it to grow faster and second like what else did you put in here right is the salmon less susceptible to certain diseases um cause if you ever seen a salmon farm it's fucking gross it's so gross like I saw and I couldn't eat salmon for a long ass time and I love salmon and that shit was just like hmm then you're like do I get wild caught salmon when there's all this fucking shit about netting being all fucked up so it's like oh I don't know what to do then I just go fucking fishing myself I guess but I digress anyway so that's kind of like the overall thing when it comes to the overall concept of whether Gmos are safe or not it's like the GMO plant itself we don't know if it's safe for the most part most scientists are saying that it is safe based on rat studies so we can't really say anything about that but then you have people are saying that it's not safe because of the amount of pesticides and synthetic weed killers and insect killers and things like that that people that farmers are using that now Monsantos being sued over so it's like hmm I don't know it's kind of inconclusive if you will now I wanna do something that I didn't think I was ever going to do and I'm gonna debunk this post from Doctor Andrea Love in my very first episode I said that she was an immunologist that I respect I take that back I've lost all respect for her now I'm not accusing her of anything but what I am saying is throw this post the fuck away just throw the whole thing away and you'll see that I commented on it and the kind of like disagreement that her and I had was so stupid so stupid and I now that I feel like I was right cause I do but I just don't understand why it was a disagreement to begin with I talked to a lot of other sciences and I've never had a disagreement like this ever there have been situations where scientists will educate me on things that I might not be aware of which has altered my opinion but then there have been times where the scientists like you know what that's a really good point let's talk about that further that's what I love I love to get that I love to get these conversations with professionals in their field and I'm like hey listen I'm not a PhD in environmental science so this is my opinion what do you think kind of thing and that's kind of always where I've been at but in her post she says that GMO has become the common term consumers and popular media used to describe foods that have been created through genetic engineering this term is not generally used to refer to plants or animals developed with selective breeding that's not what she said her post when she was like well these dogs that are bred are examples of GM of genetic modification genetic engineering they're just like GMO so like the fuck they're not they're not right so that was the first thing that I had against her post that just in her description and I think she might have changed that because I did bring it up and I was like that's not the same thing I defined Gmos and even the government straight up says it's a common term consumers and popular media use to describe foods that have been created through genetic engineering this term is not generally used to refer to plants or animals developed with selective breeding so you're fucking Sha poodle your shadoodle or whatever the fuck is out there that's not genetically engineered unless some lab rats slice and dice that shit some lab you know engineer did something with the poodle's DNA and send it like Pepper Joe Pepper Joe Crosby breeds peppers all motherfuck can day that's what he does for a living I bought some of his seeds he crossbreeds these plants to make the hottest fucking pepper seed you've ever seen Pepper Joe is not in a laboratory trying to make the hottest pepper at a DNA level right so just throw that part of the fuck post away now she has a get this un biased scientific newsletter actually got another one of her newsletters last night is like glyphosate is safe and I just like completely tore that shit apart but this newsletter specifically about Gmos contained links that LED to a blog post you are a scientist and all of the references and hyperlinks in your newsletter your scientific newsletter went to a blog post and the blog post is run by a farmer slash lawyer out in bump nowhere so it's like that's she's gonna be very biased she's a farmer like why wouldn't you link actual scientific research and then the scientific research she tends to reference is her own so you might think wow I'm reading this are everything's hyperlink it's like she's using all these great resources but they either go to a blog her blog or her substack or some random article that she is an author on she doesn't use outside sources the one time she used an outside source an outside source I completely tore that shit apart I'm gonna read you guys what my statement was so how can you call yourself unbiased that's a question am I accusing her of anything I'm just asking how do you call yourself unbiased you don't use any other resources and then here here's the best part she was a keynote speaker or a guest for Crop Life if you don't know who Crop Life is they're the people who manufacture the pesticides that we're talking about so when bear creates round up they send that shit to Crop Life to produce right Crop Life is a manufacturer of pesticides so if those are your homies isn't it in your best interest to say that pesticides are safe and if that's the case how come on any of your research articles you're not claiming that you're not claiming your association with this very company I mean isn't that your due diligent as a scientist am I wrong about that I don't know now she has kind of received a ton of backlash for her unbiased science podcast which she kind of backed away from so she took herself off of the podcast and all the other things that she was originally associated with she has her immunologic business which I looked up I'm not gonna share the information because she has it registered to her home address but just know that it's it took me a minute right cause she says she says that she is the executive director for the American Lyme Disease Foundation I did some research on the American Lyme Disease Foundation and they were bringing in a ton of money but up until like last year they're only bringing in like $10,000 which means that and she put on and that they put on the 9 90 their IRS filing cause they're nine they're nonprofit that she dedicates like five hours a week or something like that so I'm like okay they're only bringing they're only claiming to bring in $10,000 a year that is definitely not enough to pay you a PhD and all of the other medical doctors that are on the board so where is Andrea Love getting paid she is still owner of the Unbiased Podcast but the Unbiased Podcast is a part of a larger corporation and here's where I connected some dots so the Unbiased Science podcast is owned by a company called Vital Statistics Consulting now the source that I got this from is called Source Watch so it's kind of like a Wikipedia so I'm gonna take that with a grain of salt cause I don't know who's maintaining this information it's not like it's not like Wikipedia and that I can go in and I can update information um Source Watch is a nonprofit but her and Jessica Steyer are a part of this unbiased science project which has come under a ton of backlash because they're like how are you unbiased when you are funded by Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson so you're promoting the Covid vaccine well no shit you're funded by them you're funded by by in Proctor and gamble you're funded by 3M you're funded by you know Crop Life you're going to go speak at Crop Life how can you be unbiased when you're taking funding from the companies whose products you are talking about who you are discussing so how can I trust you when you're being paid off raise your hand if that sounds official it just doesn't make sense that's like going to an organic store and finding out that they're funded by non organic companies it's like how are you not biased right how are you saying you're organic or how are you saying you're unbiased when you're receiving funds from these people and then claiming on all the research that you produce that you're not you have no conflict of interest I'm not accusing her of anything because according to all of the records I was able to find she took herself off of these businesses now Jessica Steier is like running her podcast although Doctor Andrew Love was with Jessica at this Crop Life event and was a speaker there so there's that I did some more digging when you do some digging into vital statistics into these other companies the name William Gallo is gonna pop up and the name Jessica Steyer and the name Andrea Love you know these are gonna pop up and guess what Vital Statistics is a government contractor they own contracts with a department of Veterans Affairs so more likely than not Andrea Love is a government contractor that's a bit of speculation it's not like I was able to find that information anywhere all I'm saying is that the company that she is a consultant for holds government contracts I'm just throwing that out there and then she has her immunologic stuff going on her substack and all this other stuff I saw I first saw her the first time I ever followed her was because she was on wired wired does these like help desk things where they bring a professionals in a field and they answer popular questions on Twitter that are related to their field that's when I found her I followed her I liked a lot of her stuff and then all of a sudden her shit just got can wrong like just fucking weird to me I'm like how do you call yourself a scientist that's kind of my beef with that is the misinformation being produced by someone who's very clearly has some questionable backing I'll just leave it at that I'm not trying to get hit with some defamation bullshit now if you go to their website again I'm leaving all these links in the description if you go to their website Andrew Love is not listed on their website as a consultant but they do include immunologist right everything else I was I was able to find points that she at some point in time consulted for them and they obviously own the unbiased science prod podcast and they have government contracts which as a veteran who goes to the VA I'm like well no fuck it now I know why the VA sucks look at the look at the talent you're bringing in but anyway that's my beef right there was not just because the I the I felt that the stuff that she was posting very much illuminated the possibility of some conflict of interest and some actual bias but also because of her response what I found in her response is that she deferred the comments that she was making just straight up deferred right any challenge to her her thought process or to her post it's your fuck and lie literally she's like that's factually inaccurate or some shit like that I'm like no it's not um cause I basically told okay listen I have no issue I have no beef with Gmos my problem is the companies that make money off of off of this and then are able to control the price of our food and she was like that's not true and I'm like listen homie you can talk to me all day and school me in immunology when it comes to business when it comes to following the money trail homegirl take a step back that's my bread and butter and then when we get into them we tap into the like okay well you want to have a conversation now I'm gonna tear your argument to pieces and honestly I can tear any argument to pieces you can tell me the sky is blue and I can tear that shit apart so it's probably unfair to say that but I was expecting more of a conversation as two professionals in different fields to come together and talk about a similar topic instead she told me I was wrong I posted resources that didn't matter sorry I didn't include your Farm Girl USA can or Farmer's Daughter USA is the name of the blog post that she was like her flagship source in her newsletter about Gmos and about glycosade so I'm like sorry I didn't use your post I'm using you know I'm using legit USDA references in the USDA is straight up saying that Bayer and Cortiva owns 75 or 72% of our in crops like I'm straight up telling you this because it's a in fact by your homies at the USDA and she was like no that's incorrect and then she pivot and she's like are we not gonna talk about the non GMO project and all the money being sunk there so my response to her was yeah okay if you wanna talk about that we can talk about that I was just trying to stay on topic and the topic was about Gmos but if you wanna pivot because you're trying to defer because you ain't got shit to say about the topic at hand we can talk about that too baby girl like come on now we can talk about whatever you wanna talk about but I'm gonna approach it from my swim lane my swim lane is business my swim lane is security so unless it's a threat to national security or if you want to talk about the money trail then I got you boo right I got you let's talk about it so that's kind of where that conversation LED and I'm gonna read to you my response and if you Wanna jump on the petty train with me and if you wanna read the conversation I'll leave a link to it now she does use one legit scientific source from the Genetic Literacy Project this article that she posted all for some and reason the link was broken but when I found the article this the reference she used completely debunks her entire in post the one that she used which if you clicked on it the link was broken coincidentally but I'mma read to you what my response was I said and I quote since you tagged me in your story pause so after this like little debate we got into I commented on her post again because she kept on telling me to go to her newsletter and I got read your newsletter I'm talking about your newsletter in this post I'm talking about how you use a resources so I made another comment a new comment and I was like it's crazy that when someone argues with you you make them go to your newsletter which by the way if you wanna read the full newsletter you have to pay for it so she tags me in her post and calls me rude and says that it's rude of me to ask her to state something that she's already written in her newsletter so that's the backstory I also commented again this long ass post and this is the post that I said so I said cause you know you can't respond to a story it will just go to her so okay let me get back to this let me get back to this so again this is what I said since you tagged me in your story I wanted to comment here to avoid any confusion first I read your newsletter you cited sources like The Farmer's Daughter USA a blog run by a woman named Amanda from Southwest Michigan while she is an attorney she does not represent the entire agricultural community nor the full scope of facts you also refer to the GMO project which is owned by Crop Life International a Belgian based company that promotes agricultural technologies such as pesticides and plant biotechnology cough cough the company that she went to go be a guest speaker on I won't argue that Gmos are safe as I agree with you on this point which I just said that I take that back but I digress there's ample scientific evidence supporting their safety and frankly I would need to do extensive research to argue otherwise I did the extensive research and I argue otherwise to level the playing field and avoid relying solely on my USDA reference which you didn't seem to favor I'll use one of your sources the Genetic Literacy Project in the article you tried to tag though the link was broken which is odd they state the anti GMO activist regularly claim that Monsanto sous farmers who have accidentally reused seeds or found their farms inadvertently quote unquote contaminated by genetically engineered seeds that's not true Monsanto does sue farmers who use its seeds without licensing agreements directly which directly contradicts Andrea Loves claim that they do not sue farmers the article also mentions that Monsanto has sued well over 100 additional farmers who have used its seeds without licensing agreements and has settled over 700 cases outside of court in each of these cases Monsanto has won the court battle next regarding your section on glyphosate you claim it's safe yet Monsanto slash Bayer has paid $11 billion in settlement to 95,000 individual slash petitioners with 165,000 claims in counting they haven't lost every case the ones that proceed meet the Dobert Standard which requires petitioners to essentially prove that this chemical caused or increased their risk of cancer so you're suggesting that your newsletter is correct and the 165,000 claimants and $11 billion in settlements are wrong should we send your newsletter to Monsanto to save them billions of dollars sarcasm aside I've tried to offer an alternative perspective to what you're presenting unfortunately you didn't represent the scientific community well instead you labeled me as rude and attempted to make an example out of anyone who disagrees with you if scientists insist on operating within an echo chamber how will we ever progress this is disappointing especially in an age where public trust in scientist is already eroding I'll go ahead and get myself a mic drop because all I was trying to say is yo how are you right if you're so right all my lights went out so if you're watching this it's cause it's a long ass episode of my lights are dying if you are so right we should send your shit to fucking in Monsanto let him know why are they paying billions of dollars if you got the answers if you have all the answers and if Gmos are safe and if glycosate doesn't cause cancer and all this other stuff that you're claiming then then you should tell them $11 billion like come on girl go go tell Monsanto go tell bear because you got all the answers the truth of the matter is this is just her opinion and she's not backing it up with any scientific journals now her latest newsletter about Glycos 8 being safe legit just goes back to her own substack all the references go to like shit that she's written there were some actual articles that when she talked about like glivasate and some other things they went back to like scientific articles that define what that is but in general it's trash throw the whole fucking thing away it's garbage that is my God honest opinion I'm just saying the whole you think it's trash and then when I try to have a conversation with you you're just like I don't know maybe a little bitter about it cause I'm just like how are how are people looking up to you and the answer is they just don't know enough or they are creating echo chambers and what she is saying aligns to to their personal beliefs it's called confirmation bias now I agree with some of the stuff that she says and there's a lot of stuff that I don't agree with what she says overall I don't think Gmos are the worst thing as it relates to the actual organism itself the actual plant the other processes involved I have some questions on and I have some reservations about and I think that's fair am I am I biased yes I am I prefer organic I grew up in a Whole Foods kind of house we didn't eat a ton of processed stuff right even living in the South Bronx I wasn't rich we were not even middle class but my mom still found a way to make sure that we were as healthy as possible because that is my culture that is my ethnicity however that's become a bias of mine I think that that's the best way to do things right I'm never sick I mean yeah I have some and allergies but like I'm very rarely sick and I have a very robust immune system as is my sister as is my mom my mom is my mom I'm gonna spill her age out there I'm sure she doesn't want me to say that but if you saw my mom you would think she's my sister my mom is extremely healthy she's extremely fit and she doesn't eat a bunch of bullshit she doesn't take supplements I mean she has vitamins and shit like that but like it's in the same thing with my whole family maybe it's like a Dianese thing I don't know but like that's just how I grew up and my Italian size a little different but again it's so like Whole Foods and natural products and things like that like it's how I grew up so that is definitely my bias but with that being said I hope you were able to take something away from this as promised we mention Biden corn and China I linked all of those things for you we talked about organic we talked about GMO we talked about pesticides and patents and things like that and if you want kind of like the basis of where this came from check out this episode right here
